I don't think it's an issue of strategy or stages. Purely speaking, if
we sacrifice our ideals then we will accomplish our goals faster. For
instance, it would take much less effort for somebody who wants an
anarchist or socialist revolution to go in and kill every important
member of government. The problem is that they are sacrificing their
values. If somebody really wants equality, respect, etc. then they
can't go around doing violent acts. What happens after the government
collapses? The masses haven't learned from the past and the new
government will be just as bad as the previous one. If a revolution is
caused by mass participation, the end result lasts longer and is
better. This is the same with free software. If you say that closed
source software is exploitive, if you say that it is wrong, then don't
use it. Period. I say capitalism is wrong yet I buy some things. It's
an issue of survival, but that same argument can't really be applied
to your choice of software.
Comrade Ringo Kamens

On Jan 21, 2008 10:13 PM, Praveen A <pravi.a <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/1/21, john saylor <js0000 <at> gmail.com>:
>
> > i would definitely concur that freedom is important. and it's much
> > more easier to make a computer run than to convince someone of the
> > value of freedom [esp when it contravenes capitalism].
> >
> > but shouldn't we support getting free[-ish] software in the middle
> > schools? maybe one of those students will take it further. it's not
> > perfect, it goes against a statement of st. ignucious, a good point.
> > free software is more than switching a computer from windows to
> > ubuntu. no doubt.
> >
> > is it better to take no steps?
> >
>
> The point RMS makes is people supporting the two stage approach never
> tries to do the stage 2. If everyone does only the stage 1, who will
> do the stage 2?
>
> "Well, this two stage solution might work well, if it were properly
> tried, but when people propose this, almost always they go and work on
> stage one. In fact, I've come to recognise that this two stage
> solution idea is really an excuse to work on stage one and ignore
> stage two."
>
> The problem is there are a lot of people and doing stage one where as
> not many people doing stage one. And hence there are so many of
> "linux" users out there who never come to know about GNU or Freedom
> and are not taught to appreciate the importance of Freedom. The result
> is, we get a weak community and it is so easy for them to lose the
> Freedom. When someone show them something is better they have no
> second thoughts about switching back.
>
> Free Software movement was started to protect user Freedom and
> teaching people how important it is to be able to collaborate. Free
> software never was a movement to overthrow Microsoft and put Adobe,
> Nvidia or ATI there.
>
> I know it is tough and I have also done stage one without stage two.
> But we need people like RMS to remind us why we started it and what
> will happen if we forget it.
>
> You know what when one student sent me a mail saying.
>
> ... i had said "We have had enough of philosophy, now we want more
> technical sessions".. That time i was not much bothered about the
> philosophy.. now i'm.
>
> I find this one user finding the value Freedom more worth than the
> hundreds of people who use "linux" because I gave then CDs or helped
> fix their problems. If we had listen to them and stopped at stage one,
> we would have never been able to build such a great community there.
> We need more people to do stage two because there are a great number
> of people who have crossed stage one but can never make it to stage
> two because they don't see anyone teaching them importance of Freedom.
>
> See http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Bangalore/BMSCE for more about what we
> have been doing there.
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