Subject: Re: Rehashing the rehashing of rehashed material
Newsgroups: gmane.music.laswell
Date: 2004-03-04 09:22:31 GMT (5 years, 17 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours and 10 minutes ago)
From: Richard Squibbs <squibbs77 <at> yahoo.com> "Can someone clarify for me how "rehashing" is being used here with regard to Laswell's recordings? My sense of rehashing is along the lines of Filmworks, which consists of previous released material in its original form." My sense of rehashing is largely the same. What I'm talking about is releasing a CD that purports to be new with new track titles and everything, but in fact is just old material reconstituted (Filmworks and Permutations are the prominent cases, but there are other recordings where one track is dumped from a previous recording too). I haven't heard Shine, obviously, and don't plan to, but the few tidbits I caught through Real Player didn't sound much like a full scale remix along the lines of Axiom Vexations (no shit!) or the Sussan Deyhim or Gigi or what have you. Anyway, that I could take, but Shine doesn't even sound like much of a remix at all. Just a little gloss or sheen over the top of Unison. The aesthetic of doing endless dubs or remixes of previous work is problematic anyway, but Axiom Vexations sold itself as a remix. Permutations and Filmworks, on the other hand, didn't announce at all that these were just verbatim uses of previous material. From: "bigswiftyca" <craig <at> mijo.ca> "I am in no way condoning Bill's recent practice of recycling as I have been had on a couple of occasions as well, but the man did just have a child. Anyone who has children will tell you that it is a huge commitment of both time and attention as well as a major change in lifestyle. I would imagine that it will have an effect on Bill's artistic output." Maybe so, Big Swifty, but it's not really relevant to things that were done a couple of years ago before the kid was dropped. It's a big job, raising kids, and if he wanted stop producing music for awhile, I wouldn't care. Just as long as he quit this particularly annoying habit of rehashing previous work. From: "blackholehorizon" <BLACKHOLEHORIZON <at> YAHOO.COM> "ask your deli manager for a sample of the `Joe's Brand New York Cheddar'. Call the 800 number on the wrapper, ask how it compares to your favorites." You're assuming that we all have access to deli managers or 800 numbers. Some people on this email list don't live in the US. I hate to break it to you, but there is an entire world outside the good old United States where the practices of retail are not necessarily the same. Where I live, cheese is hard to get. And sampling? You've got to be joking. "But I have to think anyone who claims ones' self as a `Laswell fan' knows his m.o. by now there's a pattern to his work, his releases. There's always the chance you're gonna hear an element and/or entire track from another project / collaboration. We know that .you know that. If you don't like it, find it deceitful, consumer-unfriendly? Don't shop Bill." Yeah. No shit Sherlock. We now know the "MO", but this is an email list where we have the opportunity to discuss the aesthetics and musical practices of one Bill Laswell, and if we are dissatisfied with those, we not only have the opportunity to not "shop Bill," we can even talk about it here, which is what I was doing. Meanwhile, you seem to want to justify this behavior, which makes absolutely no sense to me. "Here, here! Perhaps heeding your very own advice would be best. If you're the type (it would seem) who consumes based on brand and packaging instead of content, well friend yours will be an unenlightened and frustrating ride." Oh is that right, pray tell? Once again, your remark assumes that one has access to content. Perhaps in your neck of the woods, you can go right into a retail store, ask to hear a CD and then decide on your purchase. Am I getting you right? Well, just like some parts of the world don't have cheese (or much of it) some parts of the world don't have Bill Laswell either. What do you do? You rely on the postal service and the good graces of an admired artist to do the right thing. And if not, you raise the issue on an email list dedicated to said artist to compare experiences and even get some useful advice or even discuss the aesthetic and economic merits of said practice. And for that, you might get some decent and honest discussion or else you might wade through the tripe of some jackass who can only see laissez-faire solutions to the problem of being ripped off. Just my humble opinion, of course. -- http://deterritory.blogspot.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Check out Music Videos, Internet Radio, Artist Photos, Music News! LAUNCH Music on Yahoo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Wkrq7C/JARHAA/n1hLAA/ivJolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> The Bill Laswell mailing list - Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Yahoo! 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