Subject: Re: Pathname and Unicode in MCL 5.1
Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.mcl.general
Date: 2007-10-01 12:17:46 GMT (41 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours and 36 minutes ago)
> graphics with optimized OpenGL, as an Open source project just might sophisticated graphics for OpenMCL are coming along nicely. Brent Fulgham has PPC and Intel versions of our Open Agent Engine (http:// homepage.mac.com/bfulgham/FileSharing2.html). On top of that engine we have a couple of projects including AgentCubes (screen dump below). We just added the ability switch to first person view. Anyway, rendering large numbers of polygons, textures, sounds even some early shaders... all there in Lisp. So, the good news is that we can do amazing things in Lisp and they even run very efficiently. The bad news is that at a time when Apple is doing really well and producing some pretty exciting hardware we have reached a new low in terms of Lisp development. Regarding MCL / OpenMCL we are all a bit frustrated here. We do not want to have to pick between Intel & SLIME versus PPC & real IDE. What is keeping MCL and OpenMCL from reuniting into a really useful version of Lisp for the Mac? At a technical level, what went wrong with MCL's compiler that it cannot produce code working at least with Rosetta? How com the LispWorks stuff works with Rosetta, can produce PPC, Intel and even Universal Binaries working on ALL Intel Macs? From a business point of view, why can Hazem not let go of a company that does no longer appear to be viable?  On Sep 29, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Peter Paine wrote: > At 12:30 AM -0400 07/09/28, Sean Ferguson wrote: >> All I can say is that if they *haven't* been waiting for Leopard's >> release because they needed proper 64-bit or whatever and MCL >> *doesn't* come out within a week or two of OSX 10.5, then I am going >> to be a very unhappy ex-MCL user... >> >> Sean > > I so hope that you are right (in your anticipation). > The general game of mute smoke and evasion on the darkest moonless > night does not inspire confidence. > If you are forced to be an ex-MCL user, have you any plans of where > you will go next (re, lisp work)? > I am rather frustrated at all the Emacs based lisp IDEs. Cannot > comprehend OpenMCL's lack of IDE or graphics. > There's been talk of Closure taking on MCL. To my mind a combination > of MCL Fred with OpenMCL Intel 64 native backend, plus modern > graphics with optimized OpenGL, as an Open source project just might > make the beginnings of a viable development environment for lisp work > on the Mac. But that doesn't seem to be something that many are > prepared to talk about, let alone contribute to. > Any thoughts? > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > info-mcl mailing list > info-mcl@... > http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/info-mcl > Prof. Alexander Repenning University of Lugano Faculty of Informatics, Via Guiseppe Buffi 13 Lugano, 6904, Switzerland & University of Colorado Computer Science Department Boulder, CO 80309-430 vCard: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf Prof. Dr. Alexander Repenning University of Lugano Faculty of Informatics, Via Giuseppe Buffi 13 Office SI-106 Lugano, 6904, Switzerland phone: +41 58 666 4304 fax: +41 58 666 4536
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