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From: <jwildebo <at> redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.testers
Date: Tuesday 24th September 2013 13:05:17 UTC (over 3 years ago)
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On 09/24/2013 02:44 PM, "J├│hann B. Gu├░mundsson" wrote:

> I'm not sure what that response is supposed to be adding to the 
> discussion since it's a well known fact the discomfort it brings
> to reporters to have them go upstream to report.

On a more fundamental note:

Fedora isn't just upstream-slapped-with-a-specfile. As a distribution
the resposibility is more complex:

- - Distribution-specific problems that come from the selection of
versions and dependencies.

- - Distribution-specific problems coming from "own" projects like
installer, update management etc.

Combined with the different set of expectations from users versus
maintainers versus developers.

There will always be a need to track fedora-specific issues (note that
I say issues, not bugs!). And once you accept the need for that, the
rest follows.

Your proposal effectively ignores the distribution speficic part.

I (and quite some others, I guess) have a different view. From
distribution to upstream to distribution. You cannot ignore the
distribution part. You cannot ignore the difference between issues and
bugs. You cannot wipe all that away without causing severe problems.

Sending users to upstream doesn't work. It will upset upstream and
force users to jump through even more hoops. Maintaininhg a working
relationship with upstream is a very responsible task that should not
be decentralized. That's my take to sum it all up. Don't go there :-)

Jan

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