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From: Adam Williamson <awilliam <at> redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Updated Fedora Workstation PRD draft
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.desktop
Date: Monday 25th November 2013 21:56:02 UTC (over 3 years ago)
On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 22:42 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 25.11.13 09:23, Adam Williamson ([email protected]) wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 13:59 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
> > wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > First of all apologize for this taking so long, I ended up traveling
> > > non-stop for some time visiting some of Red Hats desktop customers.
> > > While not directly tied to the work of this working group I do hope
to
> > > take some of the lessons learned from those meetings with me into the
> > > future work of the working group.
> > > 
> > > Anyway I tried editing the PRD a bit based on the feedback we got on
the
> > > first draft. I tried to make a few items a bit clearer and also to
> > > include spelling fixes contributed and so on. 
> > > 
> > > We probably want to do another WG meeting soon to discuss next steps.
> > > 
> > > Feel free to let me know if I forgot to include some important
feedback
> > > or if further clarifications are needed.
> > 
> > "Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process should
> > give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora
> > Workstation."
> > 
> > Based on my experience (>10 years of it, with multiple distributions
and
> > OSes), this is an incredibly ambitious goal. It may in fact be entirely
> > unachievable as written. I'm not aware of a single operating system in
> > existence which actually achieves this. Even cellphone manufacturers -
> > who have a very clearly-defined single piece of hardware to deal with,
> > and a much smaller set of software and use cases to worry about than we
> > have - don't achieve this. I'm really not sure it should be front and
> > centre in a foundational document without some really convincing
> > evidence that it's even vaguely achievable.
> 
> Oh, you can certainly achieve this. You just need to depart from the
> holy grail of RPM upgrading and updated the OS as one image, and detach
> the apps from the OS instead of considering them part of the OS.

It must be lots of fun to live in a world where there are Apps and there
is an OS and a nice simple line we can draw and ne'er the twain shall
meet, but I don't think Fedora is ever going to be such a world, and
even if it was, I'm not sure it achieves the objective stated in the
text. You still have to deal with configuration updates, for instance.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
http://www.happyassassin.net

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