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From: =?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?= <duffy <at> fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.desktop
Date: Monday 18th March 2013 22:13:34 UTC (over 4 years ago)
On Mon 18 Mar 2013 05:54:42 PM EDT, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
> I am not a programmer, but, that said, why can't you put a decent
> sized fedora logo above the users section.  If the number of users
> exceeds a certain number, then create a window with a slider bar on
> the right. This just does not seem like rocket science. :-)

Isn't GNOME shell primarily designed as a single-user experience? How 
frequently are we expecting there to be a case where there are enough 
users in the list for a logo placed as suggested by Ray in comment 13 
(https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694912#c13)

I see a 'solution' looking for a problem here. The problem isn't the 
Fedora logo looks bad when given exactly 9 pixels of vertical space 
(what logo would?) The problem is... I'm really not sure what. Can you 
help me understand? I see this multi-monitor use related bug has been 
cited:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685852

It says "The distribution logo is displayed in the middle above the 
list. This visually
clashes with the layout of the rest of the login screen. It would be 
better to
place the logo in the top-left hand corner of the screen, in the top 
bar. "

There is no screenshot, so I am unsure of how it 'visually clashes' 
with the rest of the login screen, and I'm not sure what it has to do 
with multi-monitor, if anything. A GNOME wiki link is provided, which I 
clicked on (https://live.gnome.org/Boston2012/Multimonitor)
and found 
the exact same text:

"The distribution logo is displayed in the middle above the list. This 
visually clashes with the layout of the rest of the login screen. It 
would be better to place the logo in the top-left hand corner of the 
screen, in the top bar. #685852"

Please help me understand what exactly the problem is here? From the 
thread on devel-list about improving the boot experience, my 
understanding of the problem was:

1) The logos are not consistent between GDM and Plymouth. And they 
aren't, 100% agreed. Plymouth uses the logomark only, GDM uses the 
logotype+logomark. Their balance and general shape and size are 
inconsistent, and there's no reason they need to be. We could use the 
same version of the logo in both places.

2) The logos do not transition smoothly from Plymouth to GDM. Again, 
agreed 100%. If we used the same consistent version of the logo and 
used a consistent placement, one would fade into the other in the 
Plymouth-to-GDM transition, and this would be improved.

I am at a total loss as to how making the logo 9 pixels tall and 
shoving it in the upper left corner in both Plymouth and GDM is 
necessary to solve the above two problems. Why not have a 45x45 px 
version of the logomark only halfway between the clock and the top of 
the users list (again, as suggested by Ray) and have the same placement 
in plymouth? Then you would get consistency and a smooth transition.

Removing the logo completely and replacing it with a string is 
completely unacceptable from a Fedora point of view, and I'm very 
surprised this is the suggested solution if the problem is #1 and #2 
above. If there is some other problem-to-solve that I am missing here 
that necessitates complete removal of the logo from the operating 
system, please let's talk about it so we can work on a solution 
together.

~m

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