Subject: Paul wishes Judaizers would castrate themselves
Newsgroups: gmane.culture.templar.rosemont
Date: 2003-12-20 18:14:20 GMT (5 years, 28 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours and 42 minutes ago)
http://www.angelfire.com/on/torahboy/judaizers.html G. Galatians 5:12, 6:12-13, 6:15 "I wish the people who are bothering you would go the whole way and castrate themselves...It is those who want to look good outwardly who are tying to get you to be circumcised. The only reason they are doing it is to escape persecution for preaching about the Messiah's execution-stake. For even those who are getting circumcised don't observe the Torah. On the contrary, they want you to get circumcised so that they can boast of having gained your adherence...For neither being circumcised nor being uncircumcised matters; what matters is being a new creation." The controversy over circumscission had been resolved by Peter and Jesus' brother, James, but. Paul will not give up. He claims the Judaizers, whom appear to be Pharisees, are using legal tactics, but, obviously Paul is guilty of that in his strange legal arguments he puts forth in Galateans. Paul titled himself the 'Pharisee of Pharisees' which suggests he was the more conservative sect of Pharisees that conflicted with the liberal Hillel group that may have been Prostylizing to the Galateans a hundred years before Christ. Paul is inventing a schism over the crucifixion as well, he suggesting the Jewish curse in hanging a Jew in a tree has negated Jewish Law in some manner. This kept the soul or Holy Ghost from going back to God, and I assume preventing one from becoming a member of the "new creation". From Paul's convoluted law-making would come a million laws from the Pope in Rome that would result in the torture and slaughter of millions. Anyone who curses devout Jews who obeyed God's law, (including 'Thou shalt not kill') and wishes they would castrate themselves, is NOT A REFORMED MASS-MURDERER OF JEWISH SAINTS as Paul claimed. Why the Pharisee-Judaizers forgave Paul for hunting down Jewish Saints and having them imprisoned and executed, is the real miracle here! One must now ask when he began his campaign against them, it surely coming after this tirade and hatred he shows for the Pharisees, whom I am showing are the true Christians. Jon Presco "Messiah did not come to redeem us from the Torah, He came to redeem us from the curse pronounced in the Torah. `Everyone who hangs from a stake comes under a curse.'" http://www.credo.ndirect.co.uk/judaizers.html http://www.credo.ndirect.co.uk/ebion.html E. Galatians 3:10-13 "For everyone who depends on legalistic observance of Torah commands lives under a curse, since it is written, `Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the Scroll of the Torah.' Now it is evident that no one comes to be declared righteous by God through legalism, since `The person who is righteous will attain life by trusting and being faithful.' Furthermore, legalism is not based on trusting and being faithful, but a misuse of the text that says, `Anyone who does these things will attain life through them.' The Messiah redeemed us from the curse pronounced in the Torah by becoming cursed on our behalf; for the Tanakh says, `Everyone who hangs from a stake comes under a curse.'" Paul is again addressing the dangers associated with observing Torah with the wrong intentions. Anyone who depends on a legalistic obedience to Torah for righteousness is under a curse. Righteousness can only be obtained through trust in Messiah and not by following Torah. Those who are observing the Torah for their own righteousness have misinterpreted Leviticus 18:5 which says, "You are to observe my law and rulings; if a person does them, he will have life through them; I am YHWH." Messiah did not come to abolish the Torah, He came to abolish the misinterpretations of Torah. Messiah did not come to redeem us from the Torah, He came to redeem us from the curse pronounced in the Torah. F. Galatians 5:1-6 "What the Messiah has freed us for is freedom! Therefore, stand firm and don't let yourselves be tied up again to a yoke of slavery. Mark my words, I Sha'ul, tell you that if you undergo b'rit-milah the Messiah will be of no advantage to you at all! Again, I warn you: any man who undergoes b'rit-milah is obligated to observe the entire Torah! You who are trying to be declared righteous by God through legalism have severed yourselves from the Messiah! You have fallen away from God's grace!" Messiah has set us free! But what has Messiah freed us from? Did he free us from having to follow Torah? No, Messiah did not abolish Torah (Matthew 5:17) nor did he "free" us from Torah. If Messiah really freed us from the Torah, then we would be above the Law. Anyone who is above the Law is really practicing a form of lawlessness. Remember that Messiah freed us from the "curse" pronounced in the Torah. Paul also says that if you allow yourself to be circumcised, then you are required to obey the entire Law. Is Paul condemning circumcision? At first glance it might appear that way, but please remember the context. The context of this "type" of circumcision is in regards to one who is trying to earn their own righteousness, as imposed by the Judaizers. If a person gets circumcised for their salvation, then they are required to obey all of the Law. Anyone believer attempting to be declared righteous by circumcision or by following the Torah has already fallen from God's grace. http://www.angelfire.com/on/torahboy/judaizers.html To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Templar-de-Rosemont-unsubscribe <at> yahoogroups.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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