I guess the fascinating distinctions are WITHIN libertarians.  (It 
being well established that libertarians are the ultimate splitters, 
politically!)

Eg, there are "total" versus "one step at a time" libertarians, there 
are pro- and anti- abortion libertarians, there are "government cops" 
versus "private cops" libertarians, etc.

For me, an interesting distinction:

consider any large highly-non-libertarian state, say Usa.  All 
libertarians agree that Usa is plain horrible, ie it is highly 
statist.

However, one can either view that situation as:

(A) The set of people composing the government of the Usa is evil 
and/or bad. All the people living in Usa are oppressed by the Usa 
government. The Usa government is bad, and should stop doing what it 
is doing, it should stop being so statist-totalitarian, because 
statism is wrong and libertarianism is right.

or alternately,

(B) the set of people composing the government of the Usa are doing a 
particular thing they happen to want to do - that thing is, "running 
a highly statist-totalitarian country."  (I have no idea why they'd 
want to do that, for me it's as whacky as breeding poodles for a 
hobby, but there you have it.)  Anyone who happens to choose to live 
there is "playing along" with that entire odd sort of enterprise or 
hobby.  Strange, but not my business, hopefully it will cross my path 
as seldom as possible.

You could say the first view is "Statism is bad" whereas the second 
view is "Statism is weird."

The first worldview is "I am and everyone is part of / subject to / 
under a government --- governments should be more libertarian!"   The 
second worldview is more like "Governments-nations are a large sort 
of tennis game, seems weird to me but I guess it's their business; 
people are of course free to join these 'large weird tennis games' as 
Subjects if for some reason they want to."

More and more the latter view makes more sense to me personally.

Of course, it is not cut and dried, and it's difficult to "escape the 
clutches" or "live in the cracks" of said "large tennis games," and 
while it's "their own weird business," I would be more comfortable 
if, say, Usa suddenly elected 50 more Ron Pauls to congress, because, 
Usa being less-statist-more-libertarian is a less dangerous situation.

>That's VERY interesting! The second chart is so much more accurate,
>afterall, "liberals", "conservatives" and centrists are all statists.
>
>On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Viking Coder <vikingcoder@...> wrote:
>
>>  Yes. but remember the revised Nolan Chart for this group.
>>
>>  The original Nolan Chart.
>>  http://i25.tinypic.com/okzw1z.gif
>>
>>  This group's Nolan Chart.
>>  http://i27.tinypic.com/1z6y54w.gif

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